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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby clearlight00 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:34 am

Thanks for the good vibes! Every moment is fresh. :)

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Remembering » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:42 am

Enjoyed listening to this, alter of joy sounds good to me, a place to check in

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby mac » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:12 am

matcha wrote:I was listening to Kryon last night, as he went in depth into Numerology. In short, I was worried about the future and looking for comfort.

Well, you're fucked before you start. What future? Worry about what?

Comfort? Obviously you have a belief that you are not an eternal, all-powerful being. Why is that? May I recommend Bashar?

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:51 am

matcha wrote:
mac wrote:
matcha wrote:I was listening to Kryon last night, as he went in depth into Numerology. In short, I was worried about the future and looking for comfort.

Well, you're fucked before you start. What future? Worry about what?

Comfort? Obviously you have a belief that you are not an eternal, all-powerful being. Why is that? May I recommend Bashar?


Very few Bashar students actually understand his teaching by Bashars own defination that if you know something you just do it.

I like to be told I am an eternal all powerful being, but that is not shown in my experience. Watching more Bashar will not really help. I would need to be shown that to really believe it. I wrote out my joy alter. One reader stated it made them smile.

Anyway, words are just words. Experiences are what our reality is based on. I have plenty of words to consider for reality, but many contradict each other.

My experiences often consist of doing the same things. I know I can eat food. I know if I go too long without food, I get hungry. I can amazingly enough walk. Few realize how much of a blessing mobility is.

As of yet, I cannot put my hand though a wall without breaking the wall. I also cannot make food appear from nothing. I do not remember seeing ETs or UFOs.


Bashar's basic teachings are about knowing and working with the self. If we can just get to the point where we are following our excitement (which, remember, is not specifically about a career, but whatever is the most exciting thing in the moment), and integrate the understanding that our state of being is the important thing, rather than circumstances, then we are ahead of the game. Those things are way more important than what you mention.

Seth via Jane Roberts says much the same thing here. The inner development is the thing:
“There must be an open-minded, and openhearted attitude here. You must 
not try to use what you have learned in a narrow, limiting way. This 
hampers your own development. It closes your eyes to many 
possibilities that will be important to you. It is natural, perhaps, 
to want to use what you have learned, this information, as a 
technique to achieve what you at any particular time think desirable, 
a particular person, a particular thing. But what is important is the 
inner development. If this is taken care of, it will automatically 
lead you to the person that is best for you and to the circumstances 
that will help you develop. To insist that a specific individual or a 
specific goal be attained through these methods is limiting. There 
must always be the acknowledgement that you do not consciously as yet 
realize the depths of yourself, the goals you have set and the 
challenges, and this material should be used to open up your inner 
horizons and to lead you in those directions toward which your inner 
self has already set you. If you then egotistically, say – No – this 
particular situation is what I want, then you may be blocking the 
inner direction which has been meant for you.”

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby mac » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:54 am

[quote ] Alter of Joy for January 1st... Alter of Joy whether it be...To this Alter, ...No matter what happens in the future, we can keep our Alter of Joy inside...[/quote]

This is the kind of posting nonsense that degrades your credibility to its lowest possible sink.

"Even if you are beyond that which is cheerful, even though perhaps you cannot find the joy factor inside you - I want you to build an altar of joy, physical or mental. And I want you to go to that altar and thank Spirit for what is going to take place and is taking place in your heart, your mind and in your life. And if you do that, you'll be sending a magic signal that cooperates with the planet, with the Field, with the numerology of the year - and all those things will see your intent and things begin to shift." - Kryon ("Numerology" 10.12.2016)

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:42 am

mac wrote:[quote ] Alter of Joy for January 1st... Alter of Joy whether it be...To this Alter, ...No matter what happens in the future, we can keep our Alter of Joy inside...

This is the kind of posting nonsense that degrades your credibility to its lowest possible sink.

"Even if you are beyond that which is cheerful, even though perhaps you cannot find the joy factor inside you - I want you to build an altar of joy, physical or mental. And I want you to go to that altar and thank Spirit for what is going to take place and is taking place in your heart, your mind and in your life. And if you do that, you'll be sending a magic signal that cooperates with the planet, with the Field, with the numerology of the year - and all those things will see your intent and things begin to shift." - Kryon ("Numerology" 10.12.2016)


Why do you think it's nonsense? It's inspiring me. Thanks for posting that quote.

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:24 am

matcha wrote:I have noticed that half the time I post on this forum I end up getting attacked by someone. This is not a very positive place and makes me question if Bashar's teachings really work.
If only one person out of everyone even responds to me most of the time and half the responses of others are mean hearted, I think it is the time I find greener pastures.

Perhaps Internet forums are really a waste of time.


You can put Mac on your Foe list too. I'm sorry you feel this isn't a positive place. I read a lot of your posts and I haven't observed a lot of mean-spirited responses to them. I think we've had some good exchanges.

Mac isn't always nice to me either but I don't take it personally. He's just a grump ;)

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:44 am

matcha wrote:
Alice wrote:
matcha wrote:I have noticed that half the time I post on this forum I end up getting attacked by someone. This is not a very positive place and makes me question if Bashar's teachings really work.
If only one person out of everyone even responds to me most of the time and half the responses of others are mean hearted, I think it is the time I find greener pastures.

Perhaps Internet forums are really a waste of time.


You can put Mac on your Foe list too. I'm sorry you feel this isn't a positive place. I read a lot of your posts and I haven't observed a lot of mean-spirited responses to them. I think we've had some good exchanges.

Mac isn't always nice to me either but I don't take it personally. He's just a grump ;)


I am afraid I am on most people's Foe list. As you are the only one who usually responds to me.


No, I've observed members responding to you and appreciating your posts.

Just keep on posting as you are moved to. Why should you care if not everyone resonates with your posts?

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:55 am

What about Bashar's take on the LOA. Do you vibe with this?

See it (mental) – visualize it, not for a long time but do it clearly. This way you become an efficient “mental antenna” to receive the version of reality that you want.
Feel it (emotional) – get excited, and become an “emotional antenna”.
Be it (physical) – to ground the experience, do the actions that most closely mimic the actions you “see” yourself doing in your vision; that way you become a “physical antenna”.


I understand being attached to our memories and stories. I certainly have mine.

These days I do find myself dwelling more on what was exciting and joyful in my childhood, rather than on the painful aspects.

I was re-reading an essay I wrote some time ago, about my issues stemming from childhood. Here are an couple of excerpts I think are
relevant.
We need to allow ourselves to experience the sadness, the
anger and disappointment, even embrace them, before we can move on.
Just as we need to embrace and speak gently to the child that lives
within each of us, and give the child the love that our parents
couldn't always give, because of their own problems.

We must never lose touch with the child within--that eager, free,
impulsive, ever-seeking spirit. We don't have to stay in the dark hall of
doubt and fear--the sunny garden, the blooming meadow of love, is our
natural habitat, and is always there for us. We have the key.

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby xplosiw » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:56 am

I didn't even know there's such thing as a foe list on this forum. I usually don't respond because I can't be bothered with reading superlong texts about someones personal problems. I've skipped those questions on the Bashar sessions for years too. I'm more interested in the intellectual information that stimulates my mind.

But sometimes I read enough so I get the gist and post a helpful little comment.

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Remembering » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:38 pm

Keep posting matcha, enjoyed your sharing and I'm thinking of how I want to put my alter together both inside and out, maybe a candle and some old faded Seth books with pressed flowers inside the pages.

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby mac » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:36 pm

Alice wrote:
mac wrote:[quote ] Alter of Joy for January 1st... Alter of Joy whether it be...To this Alter, ...No matter what happens in the future, we can keep our Alter of Joy inside...

This is the kind of posting nonsense that degrades your credibility to its lowest possible sink.

"Even if you are beyond that which is cheerful, even though perhaps you cannot find the joy factor inside you - I want you to build an altar of joy, physical or mental. And I want you to go to that altar and thank Spirit for what is going to take place and is taking place in your heart, your mind and in your life. And if you do that, you'll be sending a magic signal that cooperates with the planet, with the Field, with the numerology of the year - and all those things will see your intent and things begin to shift." - Kryon ("Numerology" 10.12.2016)


Why do you think it's nonsense? It's inspiring me. Thanks for posting that quote.


It always helps when you support a position or in this case, a particular ET communicator, to at the very least, get the spelling correct. How can you convince anyone that you read the damn thing if you mispelllll the title over and over again? :roll:

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:07 pm

mac wrote:
Alice wrote:
mac wrote:[quote ] Alter of Joy for January 1st... Alter of Joy whether it be...To this Alter, ...No matter what happens in the future, we can keep our Alter of Joy inside...

This is the kind of posting nonsense that degrades your credibility to its lowest possible sink.

"Even if you are beyond that which is cheerful, even though perhaps you cannot find the joy factor inside you - I want you to build an altar of joy, physical or mental. And I want you to go to that altar and thank Spirit for what is going to take place and is taking place in your heart, your mind and in your life. And if you do that, you'll be sending a magic signal that cooperates with the planet, with the Field, with the numerology of the year - and all those things will see your intent and things begin to shift." - Kryon ("Numerology" 10.12.2016)


Why do you think it's nonsense? It's inspiring me. Thanks for posting that quote.


It always helps when you support a position or in this case, a particular ET communicator, to at the very least, get the spelling correct. How can you convince anyone that you read the damn thing if you mispelllll the title over and over again? :roll:


Some of the greatest writers were miserable spellers! Presumably they could read just fine.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/30529/6- ... ldnt-spell

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby mac » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Alice wrote:Some of the greatest writers were miserable spellers! Presumably they could read just fine.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/30529/6- ... ldnt-spell


So matchma is a great writer because he can't spell?

Remember what I told you about exiting Wonderland...as quickly as you can?

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Re: Alter of Joy Challenge

Postby Alice » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:04 am

mac wrote:
Alice wrote:Some of the greatest writers were miserable spellers! Presumably they could read just fine.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/30529/6- ... ldnt-spell


So matchma is a great writer because he can't spell?

Remember what I told you about exiting Wonderland...as quickly as you can?


matcha is a girl...

Mostly she spells, and writes, just fine. Same with AlwaysBeNice who uses "belief" to mean "believe."

FYI I was raised to be perfectionistic in these matters. Dad was an editor and passed that on to us. I too have worked as an editor.

What I was doing with that link, was putting this in perspective. Sharing our gifts, our ideas, what we've been reading, thinking, doing--all of
it is more important than one misspelling.

Using "alter" instead of "altar" could be a form of unconscious wordplay. As in, the altar can alter our reality...


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