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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby TheInventor » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:09 am

Bashar has said that your incarnation begins with a basic shape of clay, then it gets fired and shaped by experience into a unique and specific incarnation. Bashar also says the past is changeable, future is malleable.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Tanfeliz » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:29 am

Matcha,

I applaud all the steps you are taking. I have had similar challenges with mental health issues. One thing I have learned, there are times when I just cant do anything but deal with my own mental health. I stopped criticizing myself for that. As you said, when you arent able to daydream, maybe its not the right time for you to daydream. That sounds easy to some people maybe, but I know how hard that sort of thing was for me to learn.

It also seems like you are right on track with your channeling. I know I have gone through a ton of different emotional things to get to the point where I feel like I can go for it. Just wanted to say I support you.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Alice » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:28 pm

Good insights Tanfeliz.
matcha, I too support you in continuance of your channeling.

Here's something more on Atlantis, from the latest Crimson Circle Shoud:
https://www.crimsoncircle.com/LibraryTe ... tentID/829
Your Dream

You’re in the midst of a dream right now. You’re truly in the midst of a dream. It is a dream that you’ve had and a dream that I had going all the way back to Atlantis. It’s the Atlantean Dream. There’s part of you right now that is in the Temples of Tien, a part of you right now that is dreaming of a time when you would come to Earth, a time in the far, far future, but when you would come to Earth when everything was ready to receive you. Dreaming in the Atlantean times where you would finally be inviting, bringing, and holding your divinity into your body and staying, at least for a while.

In the Temples of Tien in Atlantis, we went into kind of an altered state, just a half a breath away from that dimension at the time. Together, we went into an altered state and imagined, through I guess what you would call projection, like similar to astral projection. But we traveled forth in that time from Atlantis all the way to here and we felt, we saw, we sensed at a very deep level that time when you, when the rest would come back for the embodiment.

So you’re in the midst of a dream right now. You’re dreaming in the Temples of Tien in Atlantis. You’re dreaming, you’re projecting into the future, into that time of enlightenment.

It seemed so, so very far away at the time, so very far away, but now you’re here. You made it. I Am Here. You are here. It’s the Atlantean Dream fulfilled.

It hasn’t always been easy. There’s been many, many challenging lifetimes, this lifetime being one of them. It wasn’t easy having this dream within you when others didn’t share it. It wasn’t easy coming into this lifetime knowing that it was the time for that dream to come true, when others would ridicule you, when others would laugh at you and others would accuse you of being crazy, but you’re here. It’s the Atlantean Dream.

There were a lot more, a lot more that started on this Atlantean Dream that didn’t make it this far. Some of them dropped out in past lives – distractions, playing with the darkness, getting very caught up in the mass consciousness, forgetting that dream, even though it’s still within them, but forgetting it.

Others were in the Temples of Tien with us with the Atlantean Dream but aren’t here with us today, whether in person or watching in online, because in this lifetime they found it too difficult to continue on. They left. They walked out.

There were some too that reached that point of enlightenment, some Shaumbra over these last few years in particular, that reached that point of enlightenment. But when they did, it was so compelling, so beautifully seductive to leave the body, to go to the other side, to let go of the physical. Many Shaumbra have left. You can see it on the pages of your website (here) and there are many, many others as well, but some just didn’t make it.

There were many, many in the Temples of Tien that have been in this lifetime on the spiritual journey, but just have gotten very, very distracted. The journey can be distracting, oh, terribly distracting, particularly when the human self, the human needs are screaming out for what it wants and overshadowing the true, true I Am, the spirit within.

But you made it. You’re here. You made it through your perseverance, yes, through your determination, absolutely, but through following your knowingness, following your heart. Even in some of the most difficult times when you did want to give up on all of this, you felt back to that dream, the Atlantean Dream, and that’s why we’re here.

And once you take that final step and let go of all the trying and the working hard at spirituality and working hard at your journey, when you just let go, that date is actually set. And from that point forward on, it’s just a matter of enjoying life. How do you do that? That’s why we’re here these few days to talk about it.

Let’s take a deep breath and invite Yoham up and let’s have a beautiful merabh remembering the dream.



Remembering the Dream

It is just as though that dream is occurring right now back in Atlantis, a long, long, long time ago. There’s you, back in the temples; all of us shifted just a half a dimension off so that we could set ourselves free, so that we could project ourselves into the future, into the time of embodied enlightenment.

The dream, the desire to be here on this planet, to be one with our divinity was so deep and so intense, and you never, ever, ever let it be forgotten.

That dream to bring true divinity to this planet – so that it wasn’t just in your altered state, so it wasn’t just in another realm, but to actually bring it to this planet – it was so deep, so true and so passionate that you made it. You’re here.

(music begins)

This is it, my dear friends, you’re here. And I know at times your mind may doubt. You may wonder if it’s just a fool’s paradise. You may wonder if it’s just the wanderings of a crazy mind, but it’s not at all. Oh, and it’s not just me saying that. You already know it.

It was the dream to live in physical form and yet to bring in the I Am, to bring in the true Body of Consciousness.

The dream goes so far back, back to the times of Atlantis, and it’s finally here. Not tomorrow, not next year, not next lifetime. It’s here.

And what brought you here was remembering the Atlantean dream, a time of consciousness on Earth, a time of true transcendence, a time of fulfillment and a time where you would walk on Earth as a true Master, a true realized being; when you’d walk on Earth still in the physical, but in the “and” of enlightenment.

In the Atlantean Dream you saw the tears that you would endure to get here. You saw the hardships.

In the Atlantean Dream, you knew there would be distractions. Oh, relationships, in particular, families. You knew there would be distractions, but in the dream you saw how you finally got there. You finally got to that point.

You’re in the midst of a dream right now, the Atlantean Dream, dreaming about it as the Atlantean in the Temples of Tien, but you’re also in the dream of it being so very real, with you right now, coming to completion. Here we are.

Take a good deep breath and, as my dear friend Tobias said, give thanks to yourself. Give thanks to you.

You’re awful hard on yourself at times, but in this moment, would you just take a breath and give thanks to yourself?

In the Atlantean Dream you saw how there would be difficult and dark days, days where you got so very confused and lost. But in that dream, you gently brought yourself back each time.

In that dream you came to yourself, the human who was going through the difficulties; you came in your own dream and said, “Dear one, angel that you are, follow your heart. Follow the dream. You can’t fail if you do. Just follow your heart.”

(pause)

You’re here. You’re here, and the very last thing to do is stop trying, if you haven’t already. The very last thing to do is stop working at it.

I know it seems strange – you’ve come this far, you’re pushing in that last kilometer, that last mile – but this is the one time where you take a deep breath and now let the wings of your dreams carry you the rest of the way.

Stop trying, stop working at it, and please let the wings of your dream carry you the rest of the way into embodied enlightenment.

(pause)

It’s an ancient dream, an ancient dream, and it’s here right now. Let’s take a deep breath and now just let the wings of the dream carry you into realization. It’s that easy.

Let’s take a deep breath together in this beautiful gathering in this room filled with Shaumbra, filled with those who would come through their awakening into their mastery and filled with the other embodied Masters who are walking on the planet right now.

Let’s take a deep breath.

With that, I Am that I Am.

I Am Adamus.

Thank you.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby TheInventor » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:16 pm

Every channeler is influenced by those around them, while honestly, I came up with the idea that ALL is NOW

Ahhh...NO.

Every Channeler is not influenced around them(if done properly). Lee Carroll was told (by Kryon) not to read New Age books, in order not to prejudice his own channellings. Any high class channeler...like those I have posted. Has told the general public of the need to remove their own ego aside to receive actual spiritual messages in their channeled state. If you are influenced by other's in your channeled state; you are still holding on to your ego, thus "muddy up" "falsely influence" your channeled information (creating human bias(on the given information)). This is why I avoid the normal channelling process; You cannot lie to yourself in lucid dream state, as that avoids much of ego's influence, than your "awake state"....which is really a dream.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby xplosiw » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:26 pm

TheInventor wrote:Every channeler is influenced by those around them, while honestly, I came up with the idea that ALL is NOW

Ahhh...NO.

Every Channeler is not influenced around them(if done properly). Lee Carroll was told (by Kryon) not to read New Age books, in order not to prejudice his own channellings. Any high class channeler...like those I have posted. Has told the general public of the need to remove their own ego aside to receive actual spiritual messages in their channeled state. If you are influenced by other's in your channeled state; you are still holding on to your ego, thus "muddy up" "falsely influence" your channeled information (creating human bias(on the given information)). This is why I avoid the normal channelling process; You cannot lie to yourself in lucid dream state, as that avoids much of ego's influence, than your "awake state"....which is really a dream.


I concur completely, I think dreaming is simply the best and purest way of personal, private channeling available to all of us. I mean it's literally a communication channel to your higher mind, real-time, full experience as the expression, no limits whatsoever (except your memory of the event "afterwards").

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby xplosiw » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:12 am

I don't think so, the ego refers to your brain and is a real thing. Bashar says it's like the diving mask you put on to focus yourself to physical reality. It's not a curse word though. It's quite literally made of what you believe, feel and think. It's what makes you unique.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby TheInventor » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:19 am

[quote="matcha"][quote="TheInventor"]Every channeler is influenced by those around them, while honestly, I came up with the idea that ALL is NOW

Ahhh...NO.


Lee Carroll is very influenced by Gregg Braden. They are friends. They do events together. You are still influenced by the things around you even if you do not read New Age books. You are still influenced in other forms of channeling like writing Fiction. Harry Potter was hardly a completely original work unaffected by other forms of writing.

Again...you ignore what you write. if you actually attended a Kryon meeting; you would not have made such channeling claims.

it is very clear how your ego refuses to admit being wrong.

Your Argument is "because I said so + self imposed logic.'

Kryon often says "my partner steps aside" the part that steps aside is ego. And stepping aside your EGO is your challenge.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Tanfeliz » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:21 am

matcha wrote:
TheInventor wrote:Every channeler is influenced by those around them, while honestly, I came up with the idea that ALL is NOW

Ahhh...NO.

Every Channeler is not influenced around them(if done properly). Lee Carroll was told (by Kryon) not to read New Age books, in order not to prejudice his own channellings. Any high class channeler...like those I have posted. Has told the general public of the need to remove their own ego aside to receive actual spiritual messages in their channeled state. If you are influenced by other's in your channeled state; you are still holding on to your ego, thus "muddy up" "falsely influence" your channeled information (creating human bias(on the given information)). This is why I avoid the normal channelling process; You cannot lie to yourself in lucid dream state, as that avoids much of ego's influence, than your "awake state"....which is really a dream.


Lee Carroll is very influenced by Gregg Braden. They are friends. They do events together. You are still influenced by the things around you even if you do not read New Age books. You are still influenced in other forms of channeling like writing Fiction. Harry Potter was hardly a completely original work unaffected by other forms of writing.

You don't have to channel if you don't want to.

I don't give a #$@Q# about EGO, it is an overused word. Kind of like telling me I shouldn't channel because of 'demons' or such. It is just the New Age lingo instead of the Christian.

You know what, I LOVE MY EGO. I do not want it to go away.

EGO is a word that people made up. They use it in an attempt to spiritually badmouth others and themselves.
Just be you, don't worry about things like EGO. Yet, I do swear that you are using the word in the way that a Christian uses the word Devil or Demon when saying that Channeling is Sinful or Dangerous.


IIRC Bashar says that the ego is like a diving mask that the spirit needs to put on in order to enter the fourth dimension. Its just another necessary part of our consciousness.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Tanfeliz » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:23 pm

Hey all,

We are setting up a channeling session for next Tuesday on Skype. I am looking for people to ask me questions. I have one person now, and a couple of mailed-in questions. But if others want to join in that would be helpful too. This is my first experience opening up a direct channel in this particular way, so understand Im not experienced and dont know what to expect. I do feel there is someone waiting to come through.

Last night I did some preparation, and a guide I have known for a long time is going to assist me in this. His name is Big Owl, he is a Native American. I believe him to be an old-timer, an ancestor from the plains. But he has always presented to me as a guy with a flannel shirt and jeans, perfectly modern and ordinary-looking. Anyway he will be helping me connect, so I feel very confident. I have a close relationship with Big Owl going back about 25 years, and he says its on, so I am excited. He is either connecting me to someone, or maybe its him! Fine with me either way. (Big Owl is the best. He reminds me of Andy Kaufman or Bill Hicks in a certain way, with pranks and jokes.)

Let me or jman know if you can join us, the more the merrier. Thanks

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Postby jman5000 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:06 pm

Alice wrote:Will PM you question and you can certainly take your time with the answer.


Alice, was your question you sent Tanfeliz about your roommate? If so, I asked Tanfeliz the question while she was in the channelling state and have the answer. Do you want me to post it publicly here or PM it to you?

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Alice » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:49 pm

jman5000 wrote:
Alice wrote:Will PM you question and you can certainly take your time with the answer.


Alice, was your question you sent Tanfeliz about your roommate? If so, I asked Tanfeliz the question while she was in the channelling state and have the answer. Do you want me to post it publicly here or PM it to you?


Oh, thank you both! yes, about roommate. Since it is not too personal, you can go ahead and post it here.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Alice » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:49 pm

Alice wrote:
jman5000 wrote:
Alice wrote:Will PM you question and you can certainly take your time with the answer.


Alice, was your question you sent Tanfeliz about your roommate? If so, I asked Tanfeliz the question while she was in the channelling state and have the answer. Do you want me to post it publicly here or PM it to you?


Oh, thank you both! yes, about roommate. Since it is not too personal, you can go ahead and post it here.


Might be a good idea, if you post it here, to alert me by PM where to find it. Navigating the board and finding posts can sometimes be a challenge.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby jman5000 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:33 am

Alice wrote:yes, about roommate. Since it is not too personal, you can go ahead and post it here.

During the channelling session with Tanfeliz on Tuesday, I asked the guide your question. The guide responded with this: it's a microcosm and macrocosm. Your state of being, the microcosm, is determining what's around you, your macrocosm. You may not be being perfectly honest within yourself. You may not be willing to look at your own boundary issues. As you learn to identify others as a mirror of your own energetic state, you will find honesty will transform your circumstance.

Before this question was asked, the guide discussed my situation at length. Without me bringing it up, the guide described a co-worker I became tense around. The guide asked me to notice my body, specifically breathing, when this co-worker began talking too much. I did so the two days after, and found my breathing became short and in my upper chest instead of full in my belly. So when I noticed that, I took control of the situation and breathed deeper, more relaxing breaths. I was able to control the situation and remember this co-worker was a version of themselves who was helping me by reflecting to me something I needed to know and address within myself.

I'm traveling this week just with this co-worker, so we've been able to spend some time together. He told me he's really an introvert, which surprised me because he talks much and teaches classes. I asked him more about it and he said he talks too much because it's his way of masking his own shyness and insecurities.

In the channeling session last night, I shared this experience with the guide who helped me realize the reflection of this co-worker is like my physical mind, which is talking too much because it's insecure and trying to control the situation rather than have a balanced relationship with my higher mind. I'm trying to push the river of my life with my physical mind rather than going with the flow.

This is not your situation, but I wanted to share as an example of amazing things that can be learned about yourself by being aware of the reflections around you.

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Re: Price to high for channeled messages? Train yourself to channel

Postby Tanfeliz » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:37 am

matcha wrote:
Tanfeliz wrote:
matcha wrote:
Lee Carroll is very influenced by Gregg Braden. They are friends. They do events together. You are still influenced by the things around you even if you do not read New Age books. You are still influenced in other forms of channeling like writing Fiction. Harry Potter was hardly a completely original work unaffected by other forms of writing.

You don't have to channel if you don't want to.

I don't give a #$@Q# about EGO, it is an overused word. Kind of like telling me I shouldn't channel because of 'demons' or such. It is just the New Age lingo instead of the Christian.

You know what, I LOVE MY EGO. I do not want it to go away.

EGO is a word that people made up. They use it in an attempt to spiritually badmouth others and themselves.
Just be you, don't worry about things like EGO. Yet, I do swear that you are using the word in the way that a Christian uses the word Devil or Demon when saying that Channeling is Sinful or Dangerous.


IIRC Bashar says that the ego is like a diving mask that the spirit needs to put on in order to enter the fourth dimension. Its just another necessary part of our consciousness.


I did not explain that 'EGO' is just a word very clearly. 'Clearly' is also just a word. Ego is not a thing you can point out to another for them to see. They only understand by the word and the words teachers put around it.

I have never seen an EGO. Even if I did see one, I would be hard pressed to describe it without creating an image or a sentence.

Now I have seen a CAT, so can get a basic understanding of what it is with experience, but I have to take another person's 'word' on what an EGO is.


Matcha,

I hope you don't think I was criticizing you!

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