Which Earth are you on?

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Alice » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:06 pm

Yes infinity is now, I am familiar with "Illuminati and Parallel Earths." He says about the same thing there as in "Going Beyond The Control System."

As I said, I've been there and done that with the conspiracy stuff. I do think it is possible to be aware of these things and not react with fear or victimhood. That is if we have integrated it with understandings of how we create/align with our reality. Granted, a lot of people aren't able to. But even David Icke teaches this!



So why explore this stuff? My own focus these days is on aligning with my Inner Being and being a positive force in my world. I see the conspiracy stuff as essentially neutral, per Bashar--having no built-in meaning, only the meaning we assign. So I can be aware of it without going into fear or anger. I know those states don't serve me or anyone.

I was reading about an Amish farmer in his 50's, father of twelve, who has been jailed without possibility of parole, for selling herbal "healing salves." That is the FDA at work. Yes, he and his family are creating their reality, and it's something that IMO we can be aware of, and help insofar as possible.
Again, without going into fear, anger or victimhood.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by infinity is now » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:37 pm

But, David Icke premises everything under the assumption of "being controlled"...."the way out of this" as if we are trapped here. "The matrix". It's still.....alll.....FEAR.

All of these terms ironically have implications that we are "trapped in some reality against our will and we have to wake up out of it". NONE of this is true from the perspective of Spirit. We chose to be here, knowing full well that we would not remember who we are, because it's simply a game and nothing more than a game. There is no revolution except the revolution within our hearts. These are just more stories we create. Again....us vs. them. Us vs. them.

As for the amish farmer you referenced, can you not see that you can probably find me hundreds of more stories of the same like? Reality will simply continue to reflect back to you what you truly believe. The point of the matter is not that these things are not happening. Sure, they are happening collectively, but when you shift your vibrations, you will no longer see these things as problems because we will realize that there is only one way to actually make change. They will be neutral. If you really believed they were neutral, then you wouldn't have mentioned this below to me.
That is the FDA at work
But, it's of no concern of ours what the FDA does or does not do because the FDA does not control us.

Again, whatever is going on, on the external is a collective reflection of the INTERNAL.

How do you change the external? By re-searching more and more stories that simply confirm what you already believe? Which is..... that there are organizations like the FDA out to control us? Again, I did all of this same stuff when I first got into spiritually about 10 years ago, but my interest was solely against the AMA, FDA and big Pharma. Until the last few years that I realized I was deluding myself by focusing on things that were simply.....outside of my control! We HAVE no control over them.

The only way to change the external is by aligning yourself with who you truly are. That is IT. But, you can't do that if you are still reading about THIS injustice and THAT injustice. Because you will just continue to see more and more and more injustice in the world.

Action should be taken from love and inspiration, not from seeing injustice. That's how you change the world. If you want to help the world, help others to awaken. Stop seeing problems with organizations like the FDA because they are only run by the same scared, survival mechanism as the rest of us. They are US and we are THEM. Any people who are perceived to be "in control" are only trying to control in the first place, because they themselves are scared because they, themselves only believe themselves to be the characters in the story. They have no idea who they truly are. Can we not offer compassion to them as well?

David Icke thinks he's starting a revolution, but he doesn't fail to realize that he, himself is just operating from the same scared place as the people he condemns. Any one who truly awakens to their true nature, realizes that there IS only perfection in everything. There ARE no problems. Anything on the external, that we see as a problem is just appearing that way, because that's how we have chosen to define the situation. There are only neutral props here as you say. But, it is our meanings and interpretations to everything which determine which vibrational reality we will live in.

We are ALL just disconnected from home here, and we are all just trying to find things on the outside to make us happy because we are all just scared and it's ok to be scared. But, happiness only comes from no longer seeing problems in the world. If you are acting because you see problems in the world, then you are still acting from fear. Who you truly are SEES no fear ever. That doesn't mean you don't offer help to people. Let me give you an example.

During the Boston Bombings, I remember seeing the image of a man with his legs blown off. It completely traumatized me, but it wasn't the image of his legs, it was his face. I could not get the emotional torment out of my mind for this poor man. I felt this enormous compassion inside wondering if he had a family, and how he would ever live again a normal life. I put myself in his shoes and I decided to donate a few hundred dollars to his "Go Fund me" page and I left him a loving message. I felt such love and inspiration for this man, that I wanted to help him. But, I also felt love towards the bomber, because I understood how deluded the bomber was by being trapped in a reality of beliefs that completely contradicted his true nature. I also give to homeless people as well.

Therefore, there IS no revolution against things like terrorism nor is there a revolution against the FDA, other government agencies, etc.....EXCEPT for the revolution in our own hearts. The more we all change internally, the more the collective consciousness will change. But, the more we say "We need to wake up to take back control", we are already doing it for the wrong reasons. We never LOST control in the first place.

If you shift your vibration, you ARE helping the whole. The farmer who created his reality.....none of us have ANY idea what was going on in his vibration. It's not our responsibility to find that out. The more we read stories like this, it will just confirm for us that this is how reality is. And it's ALL outside of our control. We have no control over that farmer.

I'm going to re-quote Debbie from up above.
Spirit doesn't see polarity like we do. Spirit doesn't see things as right and wrong, everything just is and perfectly fits. In other words, there are no problems. Choose the state of being you prefer, choose the perspective you prefer, and your experience of reality will match it.
If Spirit doesn't see problems, then we only need to ask ourselves, why do we see problems?

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by infinity is now » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:45 pm

Anyway, thanks for the conversation Alice. I think I've shared all I needed to share on this topic. So, I'm going to stop from here. But, I see a lot of love in your heart and I thank you for offering that :)

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by infinity is now » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:02 pm

Just wanted to say also I just watched the full David Icke video above, and I agree with everything he is saying here fully. My comment above about him was more referencing everything else I have listened and read from him in the past. I think David Icke like many conspiracy theorists understands the main concepts, but they are not living fully from the heart as they still premise it as I said above from the perspective of "being controlled". It's like having a conceptual awakening, but still living on the level of the mind colored beliefs.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Alice » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:33 pm

infinity is now wrote:Just wanted to say also I just watched the full David Icke video above, and I agree with everything he is saying here fully. My comment above about him was more referencing everything else I have listened and read from him in the past. I think David Icke like many conspiracy theorists understands the main concepts, but they are not living fully from the heart as they still premise it as I said above from the perspective of "being controlled". It's like having a conceptual awakening, but still living on the level of the mind colored beliefs.
Well, just wanted to be absolutely clear that I don't feel I'm being controlled. We are only controlled if we believe we are. I think that's what Icke is saying also.

The Pleiadians via Barbara Marciniak say that the "controllers" are a great big wake-up call for people to take their power and responsibility. I think that's their purpose. So we can thank them for that :)

Some quotes from them on responsibility:


From the book,
Path of Empowerment: Pleiadian Wisdoms for a World in Chaos (2004)

Pleiadian Wisdoms on "Not Blaming"


Accepting responsibility for your life is your first and most
essential act of empowerment; you cannot grow in awareness if you are
full of conditions and reasons why you cannot attain whatever you
desire. Developing a stance of personal responsibility will open all
the doors to healing old wounds and energies that have blocked the
flow human development.
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Regardless of whether you do or do not accept personal
responsibilities for your creations, what you encounter is always of
your own making... Accepting responsibility for life and
relinquishing the stance of victimhood will free your thought
patterns and untie the knots of powerless thinking.
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Use the present to replace a limiting self-concept with ones that
empower your life. In order to change the outer you must change
inside. Be willing to let go of your limiting interpretations of the
past and stop seeing the past as the cause or blame for what you
perceive as your failure in the present. In order to change, you must
care enough to want to change. Hold no grudge or resentment, for
victimhood is a very powerful limiting belief that stifles your
natural creative process. Cultivate a healthy outlook, and fortify
your will by accepting responsibility for your life. Developing
sustaining ideas and supporting beliefs is essential toward
establishing your free will and creativity. It is possible to
experience life and all its wondrous offerings in joy, safety, and
harmony and that is a very beneficent belief.
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Anger with blame implies victimhood and often reflects a lack of
responsibility for one's decisions, as well as a lack of
understanding of the many layers of purpose and meaning that underlie
each event, whether personal or global in scope. Anger is often
triggered when you feel backed up against a wall and limit yourself
with only one interpretation of what is occurring.
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When you blame circumstances outside yourself, you miss the wave of
awareness, for you are really attracting the situation to yourself
for your own evolutionary education. Whenever you make excuses, you
are not in control of the game. The nature of existence is friendly
and significant, and as a designer of reality, ask yourself why you
design what you do. Seize the moment and pay close attention to how
you use your thoughts and words to create your outer environment. Do
you really mean what you say? Do you know what you are saying? This
level of awareness is most essential to grasp, for opportunities to
naturally expand into new territories of intelligence will offer a
bountiful harvest for sane and meaningful living. To heal and change
your world, you must be willing to know some hard truths. This is
your fortune, and it will set you free to know yourself and your
place in existence. You are free to know and to change, and we watch
and patiently wait, cheering you on, all the while wondering what you
will do to succeed. For now, see if you can reach out with your mind
to the field of frequencies we play on. It matters more than you
think.
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When you choose the stance of a victim, someone or something else is
always to blame for what happens to you. To really claim your mind
and free your spirit, you must consider your personal attitude as well
as the criteria you use to interpret your experience. Do you see life
and all you encounter with the glass half-full or half-empty? Are you
in charge of your mind, body, and spirit; or does someone else always
have more authority? Can you detect the feelings that define and
confine your experiences? A change of attitude stems from a change in
how you see and interpret your role in life and in all of your
experiences. New interpretations create new feelings, which in turn
fertilize the field of energy for new experiences.
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Your perceptions of reality expand when you purposely look for new
levels of significance, as well as the hidden meanings of life. When
you enhance your awareness, you contribute your own unique
frequencies to the ever-growing collective realization that as a
human being you must accept ultimate responsibility for exercising
the power you naturally embody. The healing requires remembering
that you are an energetic being whose thoughts, feelings, and
emotions create the world that you encounter. We are all engaged
in this multi-dimensional drama because of an agreement between many
realities to heal the mind, body, and spirit of humanity and all
those connected to you. It is also an agreement to provide
inspiration for a new vision of life throughout the multiverse.
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Asking "why" you create something changes your brain waves
frequencies to open communication with the cosmic mind. Seeking
greater meaning re-establishes the equilibrium of the body's natural
power to cure itself; and from the bigger picture on the playing
field of existence, all healing is reinterpreting what you believe
has happened to you.
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For a moment, examine any thoughts and attitudes you carry that deny
your responsibility for being the creator of your life. Where, when,
and how are you a victim? In what areas of life do you feel justified
blaming others for your condition? Who has done what to you? Who has
caused you harm? Who has violated you, in this lifetime and others?
Beliefs that life is unkind, unfair, hard, cruel; or that there are
no solutions, or there is nothing you can do, or there is never
enough, or it's someone else's fault, are most often accompanied by
an underlying, seething resentment that ends up causing illness.
These are only a few examples of limiting beliefs and attitudes that
close off the flow of cosmic life-force energy that connects you to
the mysteries of the multiverse. From a more self-empowered point of
view, ask yourself: "What unresolved issues am I dealing with? Why
are these people in my life? What is my contribution to this process?
What is the overall spiritual lesson and purpose of these
experiences? How can I change my actions and create harmonious
resolution for these disempowering states of blame?"
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Be responsible and accept responsibility for your life, for this is
the greatest contribution you can make to your civilization. Your
response to any event or situation determines the outcome.
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The cosmic mind is built on a generosity that allows you to choose
the experience of creation or destruction; integration or
fragmentation; creator or victim – the choice is yours. A benevolent
higher power supports and sustains your world; it is a nameless
source of energy that requires no worship, or sacrifice, or killing
to share its power with you. A much larger plan is unfolding in the
cosmos, and the seeds have been planted by everyone on Earth. Even
though your human brain wave technology is naturally equipped for
enhanced awareness, you must choose to use it. An integrated, well-
balanced mind vibrates at a frequency that is immune to negative
influences. The purveyors of tyranny play a noteworthy role in the
game; they are shaking your reality to its core and gifting you with
a loud wake-up call. By threatening your security and survival, the
empire of the day acts as a stimulus to compel you to create new
frequencies of self-empowerment. A new civil disobedience is steadily
stirring the realm of the human mind, and being that necessity is the
mother of invention, the results of this great awakening can catapult
the human spirit into the vast and glorious horizons of compassion,
creativity, and illustrious spiritual growth. Once again the choice
is yours to make.


The more you choose the staple of spiritual power, the greater your
contribution is toward stabilizing the planet. The purpose of our
intersection with your reality is to direct you toward your own
internal power; a force that has been overshadowed, ignored,
distrusted, imprisoned, and even faulted for being evil. Your inner
power exists as an inalienable right of consciousness; it is a tool
for living and affecting the world you encounter. Any spiritual
awakening is challenging because a reinterpretation of reality is
always involved. You must summon your courage in order to emerge from
denial, for only then will you know and realize how inner-connected
you are. As you take charge of your life energies, consider the
following proclamation with great care, for these words exemplify the
concept of conditioning your life with an attitude of cultivated
trust:


"I am creator, I am here to create a safe and bountiful life. By
vibration and frequency, I choose to be healthy, productive, and
wise. I have great gratitude for my abilities to recognize that
thoughts produce frequencies, and I can create the frequency that
supports the safe probable world I live in by directing my energy
toward what I want to experience. I walk through life with clear,
conscious intent to weave my energy, like a gossamer thread in a
large and beautiful tapestry, throughout the world I encounter. I
fully realize that a multitude of probabilities and belief systems
exist side by side with mine. And in mine I am safe. In mine I am
guided. In mine I love and trust my body. In mine I know my cells are
precognitive and that I am a co-creator of the multiverse. I know I
am a valuable being. I know that I will receive the impulses, the
signs, the signals, and the guidance that I require to always be in
the right place at the right time, for my highest good and that of
all those around me. All this I know, and for this I am grateful."


By availing yourself of a greater sense of personal power, you will
discover the exalted state of all power, which is the power to heal.
Your greatest realizations to be carried over from this life into the
next will invariably be about the healing power of love. In all its
many splendors, the exultation of love is the ability to see the
point, purpose, and significance of life's events, to willingly
transcend and release old, worn-out patterns of perceptions and the
beliefs that lock them in place. Once you come to a true
understanding of the power of love, you can safely venture into areas
of both physical and non-physical reality in need of cleansing and
healing. Throughout the globe, areas that are dark and decayed and in
need of rehabilitation are symbols of energy mirroring the inner
world of feelings and beliefs, those areas within the genes that
carry ancestral wounds of victimhood and despair. The cycle of
consciousness involved in this healing along the lines of time
encompasses the past half a million years in your terms, a time when
an influx of energy changed the game plan of Earth. The game itself
is an ancient cooperative venture, played to express a living art
form of creativity; and as games and good dramas are enacted,
antagonists and protagonists can be relied upon to provide plenty of
mischievous action.
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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by infinity is now » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:00 pm

Now that's something I can get on board with. Very beautiful, inspiring and empowering. Thank you for sharing madame :D

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Alice » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:52 pm

infinity is now wrote:Now that's something I can get on board with. Very beautiful, inspiring and empowering. Thank you for sharing madame :D
Welcome, madame. Glad you like. :D

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by TBP » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:16 pm

infinity is now wrote:
Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:00 am
Thanks Alice, no I haven't seen the post of yours you are referring to about the water testimonial. But, will look at the link you shared. Very much appreciate that.

I had a glance at that last link from the "Biggest Picture" site and I've seen that website before and he has a lot of interesting ideas about reality that are likely accurate on some level. I like his reference to anti-realism as opposed to solipsism, but they often get confused. And he seems to have a good grasp at what collective reality is (simply mass agreements collectively). Granted, a bit too confusing for me with all of the mention of dimensions and all of the links he has in each paragraph.

But, that aside, there is so much conspiracy stuff on his site mixed in, that I find it kills any valid points he's trying to make. I don't quite grasp how someone who can so strongly support Bashar's message and Abe's message as he does on his site, and who can quote people like Bruce Lipton and Gregg Braden in the same breath, still buy into such fear based beliefs. It totally boggles my mind.
How are Lipton or Braden buying into fear-based beliefs? They have done great work in helping us get out of such beliefs, especially Lipton with his "Biology of Belief". They are both doing and have done phenomenal work. Just because you happen to have been able to spend a lot of time paying attention to the most advanced metaphysical source of information (Bashar) doesn't mean everyone has or is anywhere near that level of shadow/negative-beliefs clearing/integration.
The way I see it....there is no control system unless you believe there is a control system. I mean, if you read his piece on the law of attraction and his praise for Tom Montauk's critique, I mean, my god, it's pure nonsense.
How is it nonsense? I praise him even though I believe he's wrong in acknowledgement that we are on the same side. I focus on where I believe he's wrong but I don't make it a main point to be able to say "ha! you're wrong mate!". The number of people who know there is really no control system because ultimately it's being created by individual negative beliefs (conscious, unconscious, collective), is miniscule. I wish it were as easy as just pointing to "what Bashar says".
The idea that some people "have the answers and don't want us to know" makes so little sense, because anyone who truly has the answers, has connected to their heart and can only experience LOVE and would only want to offer that love to others. So, we should only offer the deepest compassion to those people/beings that believe they can control anyone, because they too are so lost within the dream of their own belief systems. And if you know you are creating your own reality, why even focus on this stuff? I mean this guy or gal who runs this site, clearly gets that we are creating reality through beliefs, so......? Hello?? Bashar tries so hard to steer people away from that stuff, but our human minds still gravitate right back towards it 8-)
It's because it's what I have been doing for 12 years, researching and understanding and exposing the control system and agendas that have to some degree enslaved, and are intending to further enslave, humanity. You may have been missing this kind of information and gone straight to hyperdimensional channeled sources of information, skipping the human researchers who have worked painstakingly for years and decades to uncover and expose truths that have indeed -- have no doubt about it -- deliberately been hidden from us. Heck, Bashar has been, is being, hidden from us!
Do you think it would be possible for the social worker, spiritual teacher etc., to fall to a lower vibe through interacting with
those others who are not of the same vibration? I think this is a hazard for the highly sensitive and empaths.
Well, I do personally, but only of our own doing. That is if you allow those old unconscious patterns to represent an objective true meaning for you. I'm highly sensitive myself.

In other words, if we take those old fear based beliefs (ego/survival) and allow them to run on automatic/unconsciously (what the conspiracy folks call "falling back into the matrix"), then we will fall victim to other's vibrations because we start to forget who we truly are and therefore, we shift to a vibrational reality of victim hood. This is why mindfulness meditation or constantly becoming aware of our thought patterns throughout the day is so vital in my opinion. It's what I personally practice. When you are conscious of what you are thinking, then you always the power to shift to something more aligned with your nature.

Like the website says.....there IS no objective reality. The only REAL reality is that there is no reality as Bashar says. The only real reality is what we are experiencing right here and now. Our emotions/feelings/thoughts/sensations/what is physically in our direct experience. EVERYTHING else is an interpretation or a story we have created about reality. It's our subconscious interpretations/meanings about that reality which create an entire "reality in and of itself" for us. We ALWAYS have the power to change it.

So, if I am a social worker, working with an inmate, I can easily fall back into old patterns of thinking (worry, doubt, basically all fear), but not if I tend to my vibration (As Abe says) by constantly being aware of my thoughts. It takes a lot of practice to re-program our subconscious minds, but it can be a fun practice. It's what my life is devoted to right now. :D
Kudos to you, for going straight up to conscious acausal 6th-dimensional shifting, without bothering to deal with 4th-dimensional spacetime causal processes/challenges, which is what the 3rd density Earth experience is much about.

It's possible, btw, to "fall back into the matrix" without fully forgetting who you truly are, and thus not shift to a "vibrational reality of victim hood". If you know thyself as a self-sovereign human and as an oversoul and as the One/All That Is, then you're having fun without necessarily imbibing in vitcimhood-type thoughts/beliefs.

(Apologies for the late reply btw. ;))

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by TBP » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:39 pm

infinity is now wrote:
Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:21 pm
I don't think Bashar ever intends to go there with the conspiracy stuff at all, but of course it all depends on how we interpret his message if you believe that's his intent. In the video you shared, he was simply responding to a fearful person's inquiry about "control" and trying to steer them away. I'm going to share this video below and I think this sums up completely Bashar's own views on conspiracies. What I say here is in no way meant to disparage you or anyone else who chooses to explore this. I just want to put that out there. I am just speaking generally about my own understanding of neuroplasticity, the subconscious mind and fear.

I have researched so many NDE's now over the years, and have learned that most of the stuff discussed in conspiracy theories is even close to a shred of truth and even the stuff that is relevant has no effect on us unless we allow it to.....UNLESS we choose to believe it and therefore, we MAKE it a truth in our realities.

And I have to vehemently disagree with you that it's empowering. It's only empowering to our own egos who feel we need to understand and know who's trying to control us as a means of our OWN control mechanism as a form of protection. It's just one more method that shifts us away from.....trust. True trust is diving into uncertainty of life knowing that you are being supported by the love of the Universe that you are. But, you can't do that when your are always on the lookout for the need to "be informed" of potential dangers that exist from 'THEM out there'.
Accurate and true, however many people such as myself find it fun and fascinating to figure out all the different agendas and happening on this planet. It's only disempowering if you believe you exist within, separate from, outside of, consciousness. We are all transitioning into the upgraded understanding/innerstanding at our own individual pace. Most people won't have the luck/privilege to discover a metaphysical source as advanced as Bashar. Many truthers, or "conspiracy theorists" if you prefer, believe that such New Age ideas are designed to keep us docile and in a state of inaction, so as to not face and pose a threat to our would-be oppressors. I'd say that no one explains it better than Bashar, but Bashar Communications for whatever reason(s) doesn't want his information to spread to as many humans as possible.
Conspiracy is based in survival fear. "Us vs. Them". But, the greater part of you never sees things this way. Because it knows that no one can EVER create in your reality unless you give them permission to. So, what you call "being informed" is more our own ego trying to "be aware" of things "on the outside" that could potentially harm us. The ego is a giant survival/protection mechanism that loves you so dearly it will do anything to protect you. Yet, it will over react to anything you choose to feed it. Why else would anyone explore this stuff if it weren't the fact that they are trying to protect themselves from potential "outside harm"? On the other hand if you already KNOW that this stuff has ZERO affect on you, then why would you ever give your focus there?
Because many other good people are (I was one), and need bridges towards the upgraded metaphysical innerstanding / ascended state of being.
Worrying about the government putting poisons in your foods intentionally such as GMO's (something I used to be a strong opponent of myself as I saw all of these enemies including the medical industry and Big Pharma) or chem trails or whether there is a false light or real light at death that draws you into a false reincarnation cycle, or whether 9/11 really happened, is just more re-inforcement for our subconscious that.....life is SCARY and we live in a dangerous, scary world and just re-inforces the notion that lack of trust in a benevolent universe. Do we not see that these are all stories upon stories that we choose to believe because they represent potential threats to our survival? Sure some of these (such as the Big Pharma one) have validity to an extent, but who cares? Just don't give your attention to it!
You contain darkness within you. Ascension is also about facing the darkness that has been going on on this planet for quite a long time. Before we can fully move on to a new kind of experiential reality (4th density), all hidden truths have to be revealed. You don't wanna talk/think about or deal with things like pedophilia and child slavery rings, that's fine. But other people have to do the dirty work. You can just sit back and relax as over the next years it will all come out and will probably even be broadcast on MSM.
When you start to see how your cortisol levels raise in response to exploring this information, how it impacts your body to "believe" that there are people out there to "get you" and that "we need to be empowered to know what's going on", that the world is an unloving place and, your body is telling you on a greater level, that none of this stuff is truly relevant. 95 percent of all chronic illness is related to.....yes....STRESS.

Our bodies are wonderful communicators to tell us "truth" from "non truth". The one question we can ask ourselves.......is that helping you to live a more loving life?

I've spoken personally with Nanci Danison (who had one of the more prolific NDE's to date) through email and she informed me that she was shown that all such conspiracy theories are a product of "human animal/survival instincts".
Such an experience is not necessarily a bad thing, it is what many people are still experiencing in their soul paths. You have a good point about cortisol; if interpreting conspiracy information through negative belief systems, then yes, that is happening and may be to some degree detrimental to one's health... hence sites and videos bridging the gap between conspiracy research and New Age ideas (and science for that matter).

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Alice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:21 am

Good post TBP. This is a great thread! I can see both points of view as put forth here.
TBP wrote:You have a good point about cortisol; if interpreting conspiracy information through negative belief systems, then yes, that is happening and may be to some degree detrimental to one's health... hence sites and videos bridging the gap between conspiracy research and New Age ideas (and science for that matter).
I'm not going to pretend I never experience that myself, but I've been working a lot with the concepts that I live in
a safe universe, I am supported, and the answer is to Love. trust, and follow my excitement.

infinity is now, is not on the board these days, but he and I are in touch and I'll let him know of your reply here.

btw, I admire what you are doing with your site and intend to explore there further. :)

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:58 am

Believing that you have to believe certain things or think certain ways to get what you think you want to make you happy is also a product of fear and survival instinct and is exactly what many of the loa 'experts' out there are either advertently or inadvertently trying to get people to buy into (conspiracy lol?). It's the same concept most religions are based on. Bashar often makes reference to the challenges our souls want us to experience in order for us to grow but I get the impression many people are editing this out in favour of longings for what they perceive to be the good stuff, on account of their beliefs. Bad things do happen in this world and if you try to avoid them through denial you're in fear anyway. Surrendering to the existence of evil and your ability to deal with it by playing your part takes more courage and bravery than trying to brush it out of the way or run away from it with positive thoughts.This life isn't about weathering the storm it's about dancing in the rain! You will notice different things in this shared reality (cluster of realities, whatever) based on your beliefs and thought patterns for sure but be careful your beliefs aren't helping you edit the teachings of great prophets like Bashar. It's a very subtle but important point often missed in a cheeky trick of our own minds - an irony from the Universe's wicked sense of humour... Ultimately, inward beliefs and surrender to outer reality are the route to ascension - I am capable, I can learn, I can change, I can keep going, I can endure, I can lead, I can find solutions, my contribution counts etc are different to, the universe loves me, the universe supports me, the loa works for me etc. There is no safety net here other than yourself - you're here to be stressed and tested so that you can grow and learn. No other person, entity, universal law, holy book or anything else is supporting you - stop giving your power away to those concepts and believe in yourself and your ability to succeed, to adapt, to overcome, to find happiness no matter what happens or where you find yourself, to have an impact, to know that you will feel scared, that you will fear things, and know that that's ok. Don't be scared of being scared, by bad things, the need for good things, survival, conspiracies etc. Better to know you can deal with whatever comes your way no matter what and that that will involve great challenges and suffering sometimes.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by OgBashar » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:54 am

Billy wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:58 am
Believing that you have to believe certain things or think certain ways to get what you think you want to make you happy is also a product of fear and survival instinct and is exactly what many of the loa 'experts' out there are either advertently or inadvertently trying to get people to buy into (conspiracy lol?). It's the same concept most religions are based on. Bashar often makes reference to the challenges our souls want us to experience in order for us to grow but I get the impression many people are editing this out in favour of longings for what they perceive to be the good stuff, on account of their beliefs. Bad things do happen in this world and if you try to avoid them through denial you're in fear anyway. Surrendering to the existence of evil and your ability to deal with it by playing your part takes more courage and bravery than trying to brush it out of the way or run away from it with positive thoughts.This life isn't about weathering the storm it's about dancing in the rain! You will notice different things in this shared reality (cluster of realities, whatever) based on your beliefs and thought patterns for sure but be careful your beliefs aren't helping you edit the teachings of great prophets like Bashar. It's a very subtle but important point often missed in a cheeky trick of our own minds - an irony from the Universe's wicked sense of humour... Ultimately, inward beliefs and surrender to outer reality are the route to ascension - I am capable, I can learn, I can change, I can keep going, I can endure, I can lead, I can find solutions, my contribution counts etc are different to, the universe loves me, the universe supports me, the loa works for me etc. There is no safety net here other than yourself - you're here to be stressed and tested so that you can grow and learn. No other person, entity, universal law, holy book or anything else is supporting you - stop giving your power away to those concepts and believe in yourself and your ability to succeed, to adapt, to overcome, to find happiness no matter what happens or where you find yourself, to have an impact, to know that you will feel scared, that you will fear things, and know that that's ok. Don't be scared of being scared, by bad things, the need for good things, survival, conspiracies etc. Better to know you can deal with whatever comes your way no matter what and that that will involve great challenges and suffering sometimes.
The law of attraction is often over complicated. It is simply, “what you put out is what you get back”. So, what you put out is of utmost importance. I recommend putting out Love, but Love is often misunderstood as being either love of self or love of other when in fact it is both love of self AND love of other in balance.

From this perspective there is no evil. Evil is more accurately(less fearfully) defined as the misunderstood use of love.

If you feel that you must surrender to something then surrender to Love.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:26 pm

OgBashar wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:54 am
Billy wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:58 am
Believing that you have to believe certain things or think certain ways to get what you think you want to make you happy is also a product of fear and survival instinct and is exactly what many of the loa 'experts' out there are either advertently or inadvertently trying to get people to buy into (conspiracy lol?). It's the same concept most religions are based on. Bashar often makes reference to the challenges our souls want us to experience in order for us to grow but I get the impression many people are editing this out in favour of longings for what they perceive to be the good stuff, on account of their beliefs. Bad things do happen in this world and if you try to avoid them through denial you're in fear anyway. Surrendering to the existence of evil and your ability to deal with it by playing your part takes more courage and bravery than trying to brush it out of the way or run away from it with positive thoughts.This life isn't about weathering the storm it's about dancing in the rain! You will notice different things in this shared reality (cluster of realities, whatever) based on your beliefs and thought patterns for sure but be careful your beliefs aren't helping you edit the teachings of great prophets like Bashar. It's a very subtle but important point often missed in a cheeky trick of our own minds - an irony from the Universe's wicked sense of humour... Ultimately, inward beliefs and surrender to outer reality are the route to ascension - I am capable, I can learn, I can change, I can keep going, I can endure, I can lead, I can find solutions, my contribution counts etc are different to, the universe loves me, the universe supports me, the loa works for me etc. There is no safety net here other than yourself - you're here to be stressed and tested so that you can grow and learn. No other person, entity, universal law, holy book or anything else is supporting you - stop giving your power away to those concepts and believe in yourself and your ability to succeed, to adapt, to overcome, to find happiness no matter what happens or where you find yourself, to have an impact, to know that you will feel scared, that you will fear things, and know that that's ok. Don't be scared of being scared, by bad things, the need for good things, survival, conspiracies etc. Better to know you can deal with whatever comes your way no matter what and that that will involve great challenges and suffering sometimes.
The law of attraction is often over complicated. It is simply, “what you put out is what you get back”. So, what you put out is of utmost importance. I recommend putting out Love, but Love is often misunderstood as being either love of self or love of other when in fact it is both love of self AND love of other in balance.

From this perspective there is no evil. Evil is more accurately(less fearfully) defined as the misunderstood use of love.

If you feel that you must surrender to something then surrender to Love.
Evil is the opposite of love - it exists because love exists, as a polar opposite, which gives contrast. Everything is contrast. You don't surrender to the part you like, you surrender to and accept it all as the epitome of creation.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by OgBashar » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:51 pm

Evil is the opposite of love - it exists because love exists, as a polar opposite, which gives contrast. Everything is contrast. You don't surrender to the part you like, you surrender to and accept it all as the epitome of creation.
As Bashar says, “watch your definitions”.

There is no polarity(duality) within the ONE. Polarity is only the means by which the ONE comes to know itself, to experience itself. All parts of the ONE are necessary. All parts are loved and are love. Creation is LOVE. GOD is LOVE. There is only Love.

You may perceive parts of creation that you don’t prefer as you become more aware. You have the free will exclude or limit those parts from your experience but not by surrendering to them. To surrender to something is to invite it into your experience. You can learn from(integrate), by observing, what you don’t prefer without having to become that which you don’t prefer.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:28 pm

OgBashar wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:51 pm

There is no polarity(duality) within the ONE. Polarity is only the means by which the ONE comes to know itself, to experience itself. All parts of the ONE are necessary.
This is a contradiction. There's no polarity but polarity is how the non-polarity comes to know itself? All parts are necessary like polar opposites but there is no polarity? This is just a perpetual riddle loop, it's not useful.

By surrendering I'm talking about being at peace with it - accepting it for what it is - polarity which manifests reality and vice versa which in turn gives us our themes to get involved with, to learn from, to grow from etc. Your words are encouraging fear - you're saying that if people don't ignore / deny / disallow the bad things, those bad things will happen to them. You may not realise it but that's a threat mate. Think this, don't think that, have this belief or that feeling or this vibration because OTHERWISE ... Bad things will happen. Fear based - nothing but fear - the same fear the Catholics, the Muslims, the Jews and every other organised religion are touting.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by OgBashar » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:01 pm

This is a contradiction. There's no polarity but polarity is how the non-polarity comes to know itself? All parts are necessary like polar opposites but there is no polarity? This is just a perpetual riddle loop, it's not useful.
It is how Bashar and many others throughout human history have described the nature of existence. Some find it useful. But if you feel it doesn’t serve you or make sense to you that’s fine.
By surrendering I'm talking about being at peace with it - accepting it for what it is - polarity which manifests reality and vice versa which in turn gives us our themes to get involved with, to learn from, to grow from etc.


With this I agree. The word ‘surrender’ has a connotation of giving up. I see that this is not what you mean by it.
Your words are encouraging fear - you're saying that if people don't ignore / deny / disallow the bad things, those bad things will happen to them. You may not realise it but that's a threat mate. Think this, don't think that, have this belief or that feeling or this vibration because OTHERWISE ... Bad things will happen. Fear based - nothing but fear - the same fear the Catholics, the Muslims, the Jews and every other organised religion are touting.
If this is what you believe then you have completely misunderstood me.
you're saying that if people don't ignore / deny / disallow the bad things, those bad things will happen to them.
This is not what I have said. This is what you are interpreting me to have said.
You may not realise it but that's a threat mate. Think this, don't think that, have this belief or that feeling or this vibration because OTHERWISE ... Bad things will happen. Fear based - nothing but fear - the same fear the Catholics, the Muslims, the Jews and every other organised religion are touting.
I am not telling you what to think, you may think whatever you want to. I agree that fear is a problem when not used constructively. I may have misinterpreted your meaning as you may have misinterpreted mine. I apologize if I have offended you in any way. My only desire is to help. :)

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:17 pm

No no not at all my friend I'm not offended in the slightest and hope you aren't either - we come here to discuss and debate the teachings of Bashar and like I say it's good to disagree because quite often we're not listening or reading everything he says - based on our own beliefs we're selecting some bits and inadvertently ignoring others. If we both listened to the same Bashar session, I'm pretty sure we'd both have listened to our own versions. Coming here and discussing / disagreeing brings insight for us all.

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:19 pm

And i really value your input. Even if your words don't lead to further insight straight away, my own words can and often do lead me to change my own opinions / beliefs etc

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by OgBashar » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:33 pm

Excellent! I agree, we all learn from each other. There are infinite ways to look at the same thing, all of them valid. I am not offended. I detected resistance and looked within myself to see how I may be creating that resistance. I value you and your input beyond measure. We are Individuals and we are One. I Love you! ;) :D

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Re: Which Earth are you on?

Post by Billy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:40 pm

OgBashar wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:33 pm
Excellent! I agree, we all learn from each other. There are infinite ways to look at the same thing, all of them valid. I am not offended. I detected resistance and looked within myself to see how I may be creating that resistance. I value you and your input beyond measure. We are Individuals and we are One. I Love you! ;) :D
Love you too brother 😉😁💪👍👊💚💛💜💙

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